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   With a bike for sale on BikePoint I am getting emails from dudes who want to buy my bike, but only via PayPal and a courier will collect it.  Usually they are overseas, on a ship etc. which is why they will use a courier.

   
   

   I shouldn't waste my time responding, but it amuses me if nothing else.  This is what I copy and paste into the response.

   
   

   Thank you for your email.

   
   

   There are three ways the acquisition could go.

   
   

   Option 1

   You pay for the bike by PayPal.

   Your courier picks up the bike.

   A week or so later you contact PayPal and say you have not received the goods.

   Because of PayPal terms and conditions, I am obliged to refund the money.

   You end up with a free bike.

   
   

   Option 2

   You pay for the bike by PayPal.

   Your courier picks up the bike.

   The fraud squad record the transaction and follow the bike courier to the storage location.

   A week or so later you contact PayPal and say you have not received the bike.

   I advise the fraud squad of the email from PayPal.

   The fraud squad pay the courier a visit and after questioning the courier provides your details.

   They then track you down and charge you with fraud.

   You go to prison for this and possibly other misdemeanours.

   
   

   Option 3

   You go to a local branch of bank and withdraw cash - they still do that old fashioned thing.

   You personally show up and give me the money.

   We sign the legally required ownership transfer documents and voila, the bike is yours.

   
   

   This bit is extra for the last attempt.

   You forgot to say that you were overseas or on a ship etc. which is why you can't pick up the bike.

   Posted 1 year ago #
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   Jeram
   

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   there are ways to beat the scammers at their own games

   the reason they can claim they bike isnt delivered is because you've made a big mistake!
   you've released the bike to an unregisted courier company.

   in the terms and conditions of paypal it states that you must used registered, trackable postage with signature at departure and arrival.

   this is the loop hole the catch you on.

   the way you catch the scammers is as follows:

   sell the bike to them,
   collect the money
   dump it straight into your bank account and take it out as cash as soon as possible.
   organise for there courier to pick up the bike.
   do not release the bike to the courier unless it is the company stated by the buyer, and it is a registered courier service..
   they will not send an official courier, and they cannot claim for a refund because you have forfilled your duties as a responsible seller.

   and If you definitely want to put a nail in there coffin, do not release the bike untill 5days after money has cleared... this means they have to go through the normal mediated paypal dispute where you can argue your case and win if they still want to dispute it.

   if you do you research, it is very easy to scam the scammer...
   I suggest you research it yourself though incase Iv missed any steps...
   a mate on the 125ccsportsbike forums did this, he got to keep his mito and the cash!

   Posted 1 year ago #
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   Jeram
   

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   you need to also only make sure youve got funds by visiting paypal.com...
   dont click links!

   you will log into their site if you do, and then you will not only send the item without getting any money...
   they will then have all your credit card/paypal details!

   Posted 1 year ago #
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   playswithnitro
   

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   I love option three. It's so simple.

   Posted 1 year ago #
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   Yet another one tonight.  Offered $52,000, not the $5,200 asking price.  "He" appreciated me pointing this out but still wants to pay $52k by PayPal.

   
   

   Mmmmm - must read the PayPal  terms and conditions so wisely pointed out by Jeram. Thanks.

   Posted 1 year ago #
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   V2
   

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   Just read the seller protection info.  The very first line stipulates that the sale had to be via any eBay site.  This means that sales via any other site are not protected and therefore the vendor is exposed.

   
   

   Maybe I am wrong, but don't get your hopes up about flogging that lemon (oops classic) machine to someone who has mastered Paypal but not internet banking!

   Posted 1 year ago #
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   hegs
   

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   im advertising my bike on bikesales as well. so far i have had 8 interested parties with all of them currently being offshore. funny that. all wanting to use pay pal cause they cant get internet access to do money tranfer. (forgot they use the internet to access their e-mail). just got another e-mail exactly the same as one before same words and everything. event the scammers are getting lazy

   Posted 1 year ago #
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   TwoStroke Institute
   

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   Best to string these scammers along for as long as possible, that ties up their resources, which is 1 trainee scammer in front of a PC at a internet cafe in Lagos Nigeria. The more everyone did that the less likely they are to find some unsuspecting seller to scam. As these days people are net savvy enough to work out it's a scam, anyone who replies is treated as a bite. Just so you can ask them to send YOU the money via Western Union(not near your house), if they are stupid enough to to that the $$$$ are yours. Another scam is the overpayment scam, where much more is offered that the asking price you are asked to refund some $$$ minus something 'for your trouble'. They usualy pay with a overseas cheque, the bank tempory credits you with the money, you forward to the scammer, then the bank comes back and says the cheque is a fake and takes the original amount back. Meanwhile you will have knocked back several serious local enquiries.

   Posted 1 year ago #
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     to turn this on its head a bit
    i offer a final purchase service ..goes like this :
    i turn up and veiw the bike making sure its as advertised  and kosha,contact the buyer advise him/her of any  defects, dodgy ness and let him /her deal with the vendor over the phone .
    when everyones happy i hand over the readies  collect the bike and deliver it
    ive done this several times now
    and im a registered bike transport and recovery service.
    ive had a few of these gits try to buy my van lately 
    but.. it turned out one of them was actually legit [yank who was comin to sydney and wanted to buy a van before he got here  to go backpackin in ]

    Posted 1 year ago #

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